1 00:00:04,673 --> 00:00:07,008 [jet engine roaring] 2 00:00:14,808 --> 00:00:18,061 [pilot, over P.A.] Welcome to New York City, the capital of the world. 3 00:00:18,061 --> 00:00:20,397 [Naomi Campbell] I remember when I got to New York. 4 00:00:20,897 --> 00:00:23,858 Coming from the airport, you see the skyline, 5 00:00:23,858 --> 00:00:26,403 you just go, whew! This energy. 6 00:00:26,403 --> 00:00:29,573 It was more than what I imagined it to be. 7 00:00:29,573 --> 00:00:33,243 ["Good LIfe" by Inner City playing] 8 00:00:37,831 --> 00:00:39,791 [horns blaring] 9 00:00:41,793 --> 00:00:43,670 [indistinct chatter] 10 00:00:45,338 --> 00:00:47,299 New York was just jumping. 11 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:49,009 [talking, indistinct] 12 00:00:49,009 --> 00:00:51,261 [Naomi] People singing on the corner. 13 00:00:51,261 --> 00:00:54,014 - [saxophone playing] - [car horn honking] 14 00:00:54,639 --> 00:00:58,184 [Naomi] As a dancer, the first thing I wanted to do 15 00:00:58,184 --> 00:01:01,521 {\an8}was go to the Alvin Ailey School of Dance. 16 00:01:05,525 --> 00:01:09,195 New York was vibrant and the energy was incredible. 17 00:01:09,195 --> 00:01:11,281 - [man yelps] - [horns honking] 18 00:01:17,037 --> 00:01:19,289 [Christy Turlington] I thought that New York City was like magic. 19 00:01:20,874 --> 00:01:24,794 It had a little bit of that, kind of, grittiness that it's known for. 20 00:01:25,837 --> 00:01:28,757 There was a lot of graffiti, especially downtown. 21 00:01:29,341 --> 00:01:31,301 [woman] Here we go, off to the Limelight. 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,471 [Naomi] I love that everyone got dressed up to go out, 23 00:01:34,471 --> 00:01:36,765 and that's how it should be! [laughs] 24 00:01:36,765 --> 00:01:38,975 We were supposed to have dinner together... 25 00:01:38,975 --> 00:01:40,602 [loud kissing] 26 00:01:41,645 --> 00:01:43,688 [Linda Evangelista] We liked going to Times Square 27 00:01:43,688 --> 00:01:46,066 before Times Square got cleaned up. 28 00:01:46,691 --> 00:01:48,985 When there were peep shows, we didn't go to the peep shows, 29 00:01:48,985 --> 00:01:53,323 but I'm just saying New York was a different place. 30 00:01:53,323 --> 00:01:56,284 A little seedy, a little-- It was fun. 31 00:01:58,328 --> 00:02:00,830 [Cindy Crawford] My time in New York, in the fashion world, 32 00:02:00,830 --> 00:02:04,209 I do think it was kind of the golden age, but... 33 00:02:04,876 --> 00:02:07,629 if it wasn't, don't tell me. Don't ruin the illusion. 34 00:02:18,306 --> 00:02:20,267 [indistinct chatter] 35 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:22,185 [Mayor Koch] How am I doing? 36 00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:23,436 [man] You're doing terrific! 37 00:02:23,436 --> 00:02:24,437 Thank you! 38 00:02:25,438 --> 00:02:27,107 [Cindy] When I got to New York, 39 00:02:27,649 --> 00:02:28,858 I was twenty. 40 00:02:28,858 --> 00:02:31,861 I'd been in Chicago, so I knew a little bit what a city felt like, 41 00:02:31,861 --> 00:02:33,905 but New York is its own thing. 42 00:02:36,408 --> 00:02:40,537 I remember trying to take the Subway, but being a little intimidated by that. 43 00:02:40,537 --> 00:02:41,997 I would try to get taxis. 44 00:02:41,997 --> 00:02:44,499 Sometimes they would stop and sometimes they wouldn't stop, 45 00:02:44,499 --> 00:02:48,295 and I could not for the life of me figure it out until one day I realized, 46 00:02:48,295 --> 00:02:50,422 "Oh, the light has to be on". 47 00:02:52,382 --> 00:02:55,552 [Naomi] I'd put out my hands many times on New York City streets, 48 00:02:55,552 --> 00:02:57,929 and the taxis would fly by. 49 00:02:57,929 --> 00:03:00,473 Then Christy would put out the hand and then they would stop. 50 00:03:00,473 --> 00:03:02,851 The guy would be like, "I don't wanna go to Brooklyn." 51 00:03:02,851 --> 00:03:04,686 I was just like, "Why is he saying that?" 52 00:03:04,686 --> 00:03:07,689 It didn't strike me until Christy would have to stand out in front of me, 53 00:03:07,689 --> 00:03:09,316 get me a taxi to get to work. 54 00:03:12,611 --> 00:03:13,737 It was all new to me. 55 00:03:13,737 --> 00:03:16,072 It was exciting. It was challenging. 56 00:03:16,448 --> 00:03:19,826 Stand here for us... You just made my day. 57 00:03:19,826 --> 00:03:21,870 [Cindy] I had a really good friend who was a makeup artist, 58 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:25,123 and she let me stay on her couch. 59 00:03:25,123 --> 00:03:26,666 After about three months, she's like, 60 00:03:26,666 --> 00:03:28,835 "I think you need to get your own apartment." 61 00:03:29,628 --> 00:03:31,922 [Christy] I got my first apartment before I turned 18 62 00:03:31,922 --> 00:03:33,256 and then moved in straight away. 63 00:03:33,256 --> 00:03:35,967 And had that kind of, like, big lofty thing, 64 00:03:35,967 --> 00:03:39,930 but without any food in the fridge or any furniture, really. 65 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:44,351 And I was working constantly but your agency is taking a lot, 66 00:03:44,351 --> 00:03:46,895 and also, just rent and all of the other things. 67 00:03:49,606 --> 00:03:52,442 [Naomi] Christy and I lived together. We were roommates. 68 00:03:53,526 --> 00:03:57,447 We would just be silly and have a laugh and have fun and... 69 00:03:57,447 --> 00:03:59,908 - felt so comfortable with all of them. - Okay... 70 00:04:00,492 --> 00:04:02,911 - Mmm! - [laughter] 71 00:04:04,287 --> 00:04:05,664 They're my sisters. 72 00:04:18,843 --> 00:04:20,929 [Christy] When I started working in New York, 73 00:04:20,929 --> 00:04:23,932 it was so very much this, like, 74 00:04:23,932 --> 00:04:27,018 nine to five, it's just a job job. 75 00:04:27,018 --> 00:04:29,354 It felt very much like Working Girl. 76 00:04:33,275 --> 00:04:35,527 [Cindy] I had to make my own way in the world. 77 00:04:36,361 --> 00:04:39,030 Mommy and Daddy were not bailing me out. 78 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:43,368 Like, if I rented an apartment and I couldn't pay my rent, guess what? 79 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,870 I'm getting evicted and moving back home. 80 00:04:45,870 --> 00:04:47,539 There wasn't that cushion, 81 00:04:47,539 --> 00:04:51,376 which gave me a lot of drive, and I hustled. 82 00:04:53,545 --> 00:04:57,007 Francesco Scavullo booked me for Cosmopolitan. 83 00:04:57,799 --> 00:05:01,136 He liked me because I reminded him of Gia. 84 00:05:04,055 --> 00:05:06,892 {\an8}Gia was, like, a favorite of so many photographers 85 00:05:06,892 --> 00:05:09,185 and so my agency said, "We have baby Gia." 86 00:05:13,315 --> 00:05:16,735 {\an8}Those girls worked hard, 87 00:05:16,735 --> 00:05:18,820 and they worked constantly. 88 00:05:19,571 --> 00:05:21,239 There was a feeling about them, 89 00:05:21,239 --> 00:05:25,744 that they wanted more than just what was there, 90 00:05:25,744 --> 00:05:27,537 but they were driven to... 91 00:05:28,246 --> 00:05:29,831 ...be better all the time. 92 00:05:29,831 --> 00:05:31,333 They were constantly seeking 93 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:35,545 and wanting and curious and knowledgeable, 94 00:05:35,545 --> 00:05:37,672 and just driven. 95 00:05:37,672 --> 00:05:39,341 - [man] When's it gonna be on? Tonight? - [Christy] Yeah. 96 00:05:39,341 --> 00:05:41,384 - [man] Oh, great. - If you stay up that late, 12:30. 97 00:05:41,384 --> 00:05:43,053 - [man] Oh, no. - [woman] Oh, no! Yeah! 98 00:05:43,053 --> 00:05:44,095 [laughter] 99 00:05:44,095 --> 00:05:46,473 I have to work early tomorrow. I don't think I'm gonna stay up. 100 00:05:46,473 --> 00:05:48,850 [Christy] By the time I started to work a lot with Vogue, 101 00:05:48,850 --> 00:05:51,311 I would say to the editors, you know, like, [gasps] 102 00:05:51,311 --> 00:05:54,522 "Well, I wanna work with Steven Meisel, can I work with Steven Meisel?" 103 00:05:54,522 --> 00:05:56,441 And I remember Polly Mellen telling me like, 104 00:05:56,441 --> 00:05:58,193 "I don't think you're his type, really." 105 00:05:58,193 --> 00:05:59,945 I was like, "What do you mean I'm not his type?" 106 00:05:59,945 --> 00:06:02,572 Steven is one of the great artists of our time, 107 00:06:02,572 --> 00:06:04,324 because he would look at a model, 108 00:06:04,324 --> 00:06:08,161 and he will see through the model to what they could be. 109 00:06:08,912 --> 00:06:10,622 [Anna Sui] When we started hanging out, 110 00:06:10,622 --> 00:06:13,041 Steven and I would go out 111 00:06:13,041 --> 00:06:16,253 {\an8}and with a Polaroid camera, take pictures, 112 00:06:16,253 --> 00:06:18,838 {\an8}and you knew right then and there that Steven had the eye. 113 00:06:20,298 --> 00:06:21,258 He could spot somebody, 114 00:06:21,258 --> 00:06:24,844 he could make them pose the way he was imagining. 115 00:06:24,844 --> 00:06:26,513 He just had such a vision. 116 00:06:26,513 --> 00:06:28,723 Steven started photographing 117 00:06:28,723 --> 00:06:32,978 {\an8}in the very, very, very, early 80s. 118 00:06:34,145 --> 00:06:37,232 And he had gotten a studio on 23rd Street. 119 00:06:38,149 --> 00:06:39,568 We used to call it "The Clinic," 120 00:06:39,568 --> 00:06:44,614 [laughing] 'cause the girls would come in and Steven would teach them how to model. 121 00:06:45,865 --> 00:06:48,034 The girls would change completely, 122 00:06:48,535 --> 00:06:53,206 and the ones that were great would come out as superstars, 123 00:06:53,206 --> 00:06:55,834 {\an8}'cause they just took it, they were absorbing all of it. 124 00:06:55,834 --> 00:06:57,794 {\an8}They wanted to learn. 125 00:06:59,671 --> 00:07:01,298 [Fabien Baron] Steven Meisel had a mirror in the studio 126 00:07:01,298 --> 00:07:03,383 for the models to look at themselves, 127 00:07:03,383 --> 00:07:05,927 giving the girl the authority 128 00:07:05,927 --> 00:07:09,890 to push herself to the nth degree 129 00:07:09,890 --> 00:07:12,976 because they would know if the foot was in the right place or not. 130 00:07:15,061 --> 00:07:16,980 [Linda] I remember... 131 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:21,693 when I get called to work with Steven Meisel for the first time. 132 00:07:21,693 --> 00:07:23,945 I was so hoping Steven would like me 133 00:07:23,945 --> 00:07:27,115 and he said, "Can you walk? Like a big stride?" 134 00:07:27,115 --> 00:07:29,242 And I was like, "Yeah." 135 00:07:29,242 --> 00:07:33,580 And he said, "But do you think you can hit the mark and stay in focus?" 136 00:07:34,372 --> 00:07:35,957 And I said, "Yeah." 137 00:07:38,209 --> 00:07:40,003 I did it over and over. 138 00:07:40,003 --> 00:07:45,008 {\an8}And then that was the beginning of my relationship with him. 139 00:07:45,008 --> 00:07:49,471 {\an8}And we all got to be part of the process. 140 00:07:49,930 --> 00:07:51,973 [faint chatter] 141 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:57,562 {\an8}[Christy] It was my, like, my school. 142 00:07:58,563 --> 00:08:00,273 {\an8}He was very tactile always, as well. 143 00:08:00,273 --> 00:08:03,360 Like, come over and actually hands on your hair. 144 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,903 Help do the makeup. 145 00:08:05,695 --> 00:08:09,950 It was kind of our own little factory vibe in that we played. 146 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:12,118 We'd come to the studio and if we didn't have a plan 147 00:08:12,118 --> 00:08:14,579 of what was gonna happen, we all kind of got to 148 00:08:14,579 --> 00:08:16,873 work together and figure out what that was gonna be, 149 00:08:16,873 --> 00:08:17,999 what the look was gonna be. 150 00:08:18,917 --> 00:08:23,338 It was just constant building, destroying, building again. 151 00:08:23,338 --> 00:08:26,591 [man's voice directing, indistinct] 152 00:08:29,761 --> 00:08:34,432 {\an8}[Christy] He really created this very intimate and safe environment on the set. 153 00:08:34,432 --> 00:08:36,433 {\an8}I felt like he really looked after me. 154 00:08:37,310 --> 00:08:40,230 You know, I just feel like he cared how comfortable I was, 155 00:08:41,147 --> 00:08:44,275 or recognized maybe when I wasn't, when I wouldn't have said anything, maybe. 156 00:08:46,695 --> 00:08:50,407 It was really, really a special, um, family kind of bond. 157 00:08:51,825 --> 00:08:56,871 [Naomi] I was 16 when I got to work with Steven Meisel for American Vogue. 158 00:08:59,958 --> 00:09:02,502 [Carlyne Cerf de Dudzelle] She arrives, her legs was already 159 00:09:02,502 --> 00:09:05,672 as big as they are now, three meters. 160 00:09:05,672 --> 00:09:10,427 So, immediately Steven called her Bambi because she was Bambi. 161 00:09:10,427 --> 00:09:12,178 She was all shy, she was like... 162 00:09:12,178 --> 00:09:13,555 [vocalizing] 163 00:09:13,555 --> 00:09:16,349 Well, she is not at all but that doesn't matter, 164 00:09:16,349 --> 00:09:20,145 and she was a dancer so she'd use her legs and everything. 165 00:09:23,356 --> 00:09:24,566 I'm trying to think. 166 00:09:25,775 --> 00:09:29,946 Very first one is the dancing pictures and I don't know if they're in there. 167 00:09:30,614 --> 00:09:31,740 Mmm. 168 00:09:36,161 --> 00:09:39,164 Working with Steven Meisel is like an education. 169 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:44,211 {\an8}He molds you, in just such a subtle way, 170 00:09:45,295 --> 00:09:49,132 {\an8}that you almost were like, "How did he get that out of me 171 00:09:49,132 --> 00:09:50,967 because I didn't think I had that in me." 172 00:09:54,721 --> 00:09:57,474 I was very lucky to meet this wonderful man 173 00:09:57,474 --> 00:10:00,352 who's still family in my life and I love him dearly. 174 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:05,232 And I understood that you can have chosen families. 175 00:10:08,526 --> 00:10:10,612 I didn't meet my father, 176 00:10:10,612 --> 00:10:12,781 my mother had me at 17. 177 00:10:12,781 --> 00:10:14,366 I think he was the same age. 178 00:10:14,908 --> 00:10:16,826 That feeling of abandonment... 179 00:10:16,826 --> 00:10:20,121 It's nothing she could have done to change that feeling with me. 180 00:10:21,122 --> 00:10:24,626 I also believe a lot of that was part of my drive, too. 181 00:10:25,210 --> 00:10:27,921 Not having my father figure in my life. 182 00:10:30,549 --> 00:10:32,133 But then I got blessed. 183 00:10:33,176 --> 00:10:38,348 When I was 16, I was working in Paris and I was on my own. 184 00:10:39,766 --> 00:10:42,602 But one day, my purse was stolen, 185 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:45,188 I'd had all my money stolen. 186 00:10:45,188 --> 00:10:48,233 My traveler's checks, I should say. Mum gave me traveler's checks. 187 00:10:49,025 --> 00:10:52,445 I was going to dinner with another model 'cause she felt pity on me, 188 00:10:53,572 --> 00:10:56,700 and that's when I met Azzedine Alaïa. 189 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:05,834 {\an8}Azzedine Alaïa was a very enigmatic designer. 190 00:11:06,918 --> 00:11:10,714 Azzedine really loved playing with the female form. 191 00:11:11,715 --> 00:11:13,758 {\an8}[in French] Femininity is a whole thing. 192 00:11:13,758 --> 00:11:16,052 {\an8}[interviewer, speaks French, laughs] 193 00:11:16,052 --> 00:11:18,221 {\an8}I don't know, I can't define some things. 194 00:11:18,221 --> 00:11:23,393 [Beker] I think his clothes were very slinky, very sexy, very seductive. 195 00:11:23,894 --> 00:11:28,064 There's an architectural feel to some of these pieces. 196 00:11:28,064 --> 00:11:31,484 But very comfortable. They moved with you. 197 00:11:31,985 --> 00:11:34,821 And he was just a sweet, sweet man. 198 00:11:35,864 --> 00:11:38,450 And he doesn't speak English. I don't speak French. 199 00:11:38,450 --> 00:11:40,827 But there's something. 200 00:11:40,827 --> 00:11:44,164 And then he gave me an outfit, 201 00:11:44,164 --> 00:11:46,499 and he asked me to put it on, 202 00:11:46,499 --> 00:11:48,460 to see what his clothes looked like on me. 203 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:49,377 [laughs] 204 00:11:49,377 --> 00:11:50,545 And I put it on, 205 00:11:51,254 --> 00:11:53,340 and he liked how it looked. 206 00:11:53,965 --> 00:11:58,220 And then he asked me where I was staying, and I told him, at the Hotel Lenox. 207 00:11:58,220 --> 00:12:02,098 He then said to me, "Where's your mother?" 208 00:12:02,098 --> 00:12:03,683 And I said, "My mother's in London." 209 00:12:03,683 --> 00:12:05,644 My mother speaks French. 210 00:12:05,644 --> 00:12:07,520 So, he said, "Call her." 211 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,106 So, I called my mum, and they spoke. 212 00:12:10,106 --> 00:12:14,361 And he told to my mum that he would take care of me, 213 00:12:14,361 --> 00:12:16,821 that I would stay under his roof 214 00:12:16,821 --> 00:12:19,074 and that I would be safe to stay there. 215 00:12:19,074 --> 00:12:21,910 My mother did not know who she was talking to, 216 00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:24,663 never met him, but trusted him. 217 00:12:25,413 --> 00:12:28,708 And so the next day or the next two days later, 218 00:12:28,708 --> 00:12:31,586 I moved into Rue du Parc-Royal. 219 00:12:35,298 --> 00:12:37,384 {\an8}[woman] Oh, I love this dress. 220 00:12:38,718 --> 00:12:40,679 - I've worn this. - [woman] Oh, really? 221 00:12:41,763 --> 00:12:43,765 - Piece of art. - [woman] Yeah. 222 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:47,269 My papa was a genius. 223 00:12:47,269 --> 00:12:48,520 [woman] Yes, he was. 224 00:12:50,188 --> 00:12:51,106 [Christy] There you are. 225 00:12:51,106 --> 00:12:53,358 [indistinct chatter, laughter] 226 00:12:53,733 --> 00:12:54,901 [woman] Mm-hm. 227 00:12:57,070 --> 00:12:59,114 I thought my papa was gonna live forever. 228 00:12:59,864 --> 00:13:01,616 - I never imagined... - [woman] Mm. 229 00:13:03,827 --> 00:13:07,122 I never imagined... even thought about him leaving. 230 00:13:09,916 --> 00:13:13,253 [Baron] Naomi became Alaïa's muse, 231 00:13:13,253 --> 00:13:15,881 you know, like, almost like family. 232 00:13:17,465 --> 00:13:20,385 [Naomi] He introduced me to so much in the world. 233 00:13:21,052 --> 00:13:22,929 I met so many amazing people. 234 00:13:22,929 --> 00:13:26,141 I learned about art, architecture, design. 235 00:13:26,808 --> 00:13:30,437 Most importantly, I got to watch him work. I got to be part of his work. 236 00:13:31,021 --> 00:13:33,106 And he really treated me like a daughter. 237 00:13:35,108 --> 00:13:38,695 I mean, like, made me breakfast, made me dinner. 238 00:13:40,947 --> 00:13:43,533 [voice breaking] I mean, we used to fight, don't get me wrong. 239 00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:46,369 I would sneak out the window, go clubbing, 240 00:13:46,369 --> 00:13:48,246 they'd call and tell him I was in the nightclub. 241 00:13:48,246 --> 00:13:49,998 He'd come down to the nightclub. 242 00:13:49,998 --> 00:13:53,251 And before he would take me home he'd say, "You wore the outfit wrong," 243 00:13:53,251 --> 00:13:55,086 and he'd be fixing it. 244 00:13:55,086 --> 00:13:57,589 And, "You should have put the belt like this and..." 245 00:13:57,589 --> 00:13:58,840 [vocalizing] 246 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,217 And you know, 247 00:14:00,217 --> 00:14:03,803 'cause you have to imagine the boutique was my closet. 248 00:14:04,471 --> 00:14:07,182 What girl of 16-years-old 249 00:14:07,182 --> 00:14:10,227 has an Alaïa shop as her closet? 250 00:14:12,562 --> 00:14:14,314 [crying] When he passed away, 251 00:14:15,941 --> 00:14:18,652 {\an8}it was a shock to the system. [sniffling] 252 00:14:19,778 --> 00:14:22,614 {\an8}My life would have definitely been different without him. 253 00:14:23,949 --> 00:14:26,493 He protected me in this business, 254 00:14:26,493 --> 00:14:28,286 he guided me. 255 00:14:29,537 --> 00:14:32,082 I mean, once, uh... 256 00:14:32,082 --> 00:14:36,962 art director felt the need to tell me that he thought my breasts were perfect, 257 00:14:36,962 --> 00:14:39,381 but he felt the need to have to touch them. 258 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:42,884 I called papa immediately, 259 00:14:42,884 --> 00:14:46,596 I called papa right away and papa called him up 260 00:14:46,596 --> 00:14:48,473 and read him. 261 00:14:49,099 --> 00:14:51,226 Never came near me again. 262 00:14:51,226 --> 00:14:55,522 It served that I opened my mouth and would speak my truth 263 00:14:55,522 --> 00:14:58,108 because I believed that protected me, 264 00:14:58,108 --> 00:15:01,570 as well as who I was surrounded by. 265 00:15:02,404 --> 00:15:03,280 [indistinct chatter] 266 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,739 [man speaking French] 267 00:15:04,739 --> 00:15:06,074 Hi, everybody. 268 00:15:06,074 --> 00:15:07,200 - Hello. - Hello. 269 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,743 [man speaking French] 270 00:15:09,828 --> 00:15:11,705 [woman, in French] In his fifties, Jean-Luc Brunel 271 00:15:11,705 --> 00:15:14,583 allowed himself to be filmed during a casting in Florida. 272 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:17,294 It's his favorite exercise, 273 00:15:17,627 --> 00:15:18,753 "chasing models" 274 00:15:18,753 --> 00:15:20,005 as they say in the business. 275 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,635 Courtney Powell landed at the Karin Models agency in Paris. 276 00:15:26,595 --> 00:15:30,891 "He started talking about sending me for a bathing suit campaign. 277 00:15:32,976 --> 00:15:36,229 He told me that my measurements had to be perfect, 278 00:15:36,938 --> 00:15:39,482 and that you have to have a certain look, 279 00:15:40,525 --> 00:15:42,777 and he wanted me to pull up my shirt. 280 00:15:42,903 --> 00:15:44,863 He started touching me." 281 00:15:45,238 --> 00:15:48,283 Courtney says that she resisted him several times. 282 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:52,037 "From the moment I said no to Jean-Luc Brunel 283 00:15:52,037 --> 00:15:53,872 I no longer got any work." 284 00:15:53,872 --> 00:15:55,749 [Christy] I met Jean-Luc Brunel, 285 00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:58,710 who's the infamous French agent 286 00:15:58,710 --> 00:16:03,256 {\an8}who was running Karin's agency in Paris at that time. 287 00:16:03,256 --> 00:16:07,719 {\an8}And they were like partners, the Fords and Karins. 288 00:16:10,347 --> 00:16:11,473 {\an8}I would go to Paris 289 00:16:11,473 --> 00:16:16,353 {\an8}and the Fords would have it set up that I would stay at Jean-Luc's apartment. 290 00:16:19,856 --> 00:16:22,776 I think most of us are young. 291 00:16:23,485 --> 00:16:26,529 You're put in an environment that you probably... 292 00:16:27,197 --> 00:16:29,199 is completely new to you, right? 293 00:16:30,951 --> 00:16:34,454 You know, you're overpowered by a older man 294 00:16:34,454 --> 00:16:36,790 that's, like, going to guide your career. 295 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:38,166 You trust him. 296 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:40,794 You know, same old story. 297 00:16:43,672 --> 00:16:44,881 [Christy] Nothing happened. Most of the time 298 00:16:44,881 --> 00:16:46,299 he wasn't really even there. 299 00:16:47,551 --> 00:16:51,429 I got angry at just looking back and thinking, like, survival sk-- 300 00:16:51,429 --> 00:16:53,557 Like I can't believe that I'm okay. 301 00:16:59,396 --> 00:17:01,690 Nothing really surprises me about anybody. 302 00:17:01,690 --> 00:17:03,108 I feel like even people you know, 303 00:17:03,108 --> 00:17:05,360 you just don't know what they're capable of. 304 00:17:06,861 --> 00:17:08,487 President of Elite Europe, 305 00:17:08,487 --> 00:17:12,449 {\an8}who coordinates the efforts of the Elite offices on the continent... 306 00:17:12,867 --> 00:17:14,535 ...Mr. Gérald Marie. 307 00:17:14,535 --> 00:17:16,537 [applause] 308 00:17:18,497 --> 00:17:19,916 I married my agent... 309 00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:24,295 ...Gérald Marie. 310 00:17:28,341 --> 00:17:30,969 Who I thought was, like, so charming, 311 00:17:30,969 --> 00:17:33,430 I liked how assertive he was. 312 00:17:34,264 --> 00:17:37,017 [in French] When she has Elite on her back, the girl must be good. 313 00:17:37,017 --> 00:17:41,688 If an Elite girl doesn't bring in $200-$250K a year 314 00:17:41,688 --> 00:17:44,274 we won't keep her. 315 00:17:45,942 --> 00:17:48,028 [Christy] She was only 22, she was young. 316 00:17:49,571 --> 00:17:51,281 I never really saw him in New York. 317 00:17:51,281 --> 00:17:54,534 And when I met Linda, she was already engaged to him. 318 00:17:57,662 --> 00:17:59,331 [Linda] He really pushed me... 319 00:18:00,165 --> 00:18:02,000 ...to work, so much. 320 00:18:04,461 --> 00:18:07,881 He... felt like a great guy. 321 00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:13,929 He told me he was a German photographer's assistant. 322 00:18:13,929 --> 00:18:16,806 - [chuckles] - And I thought he was obnoxious. 323 00:18:16,806 --> 00:18:19,684 [woman laughing] But something happened! 324 00:18:19,684 --> 00:18:22,187 And the next time I met him I found out he wasn't. 325 00:18:23,605 --> 00:18:25,065 And I fell in love. 326 00:18:25,065 --> 00:18:26,566 [woman] Aw, aww... 327 00:18:26,566 --> 00:18:29,277 See, it's very good to be a German photographer assistant. 328 00:18:29,277 --> 00:18:30,487 [woman laughs] 329 00:18:30,487 --> 00:18:33,698 I just wanna live happily ever after, that's all. 330 00:18:35,075 --> 00:18:37,744 [Linda] I lived in Paris about three years... 331 00:18:38,828 --> 00:18:41,039 ...and climbed the ladder slowly... 332 00:18:41,998 --> 00:18:44,626 ...before I felt like... 333 00:18:45,335 --> 00:18:46,586 ...I really made it, 334 00:18:46,586 --> 00:18:48,672 I could start saving money. 335 00:18:49,214 --> 00:18:52,634 I started working with really the top photographers. 336 00:18:54,052 --> 00:18:56,221 But I wanted to be on a cover of Vogue. 337 00:18:56,221 --> 00:18:59,015 Any Vogue, it was a dream for me. 338 00:19:01,309 --> 00:19:03,937 I went on a trip with Peter Lindbergh. 339 00:19:04,854 --> 00:19:08,108 Peter saw the androgynous side of me 340 00:19:08,108 --> 00:19:11,861 and he really wanted me to cut my hair off. 341 00:19:12,904 --> 00:19:16,866 He explained to me, "We already did so much with your long hair. 342 00:19:16,866 --> 00:19:20,662 I think you really need to do this to go further." 343 00:19:22,706 --> 00:19:25,208 I asked my mother what she thought. 344 00:19:25,208 --> 00:19:28,753 She said, "But why? You'll be the only girl with short hair." 345 00:19:28,753 --> 00:19:31,590 And I went, "Well, that's not a bad thing." 346 00:19:33,508 --> 00:19:36,094 [Lindbergh] She just walked into the studio and said, "I'm ready now, 347 00:19:36,094 --> 00:19:37,721 I want to cut my hair." 348 00:19:38,263 --> 00:19:41,391 And then Julien, Julien who was her hair dresser, 349 00:19:41,391 --> 00:19:45,270 just took her whole hair back, and said, "Is everybody okay?" 350 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:48,231 And she said "No, no," and she start crying, no? 351 00:19:48,231 --> 00:19:50,275 And he took the scissors, and whap! 352 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:54,529 It was gone in one zip, no? 353 00:20:00,869 --> 00:20:03,788 After that I went to Milano 354 00:20:04,331 --> 00:20:06,458 to do the fashion shows 355 00:20:06,458 --> 00:20:10,295 where I was booked for 20 shows. 356 00:20:10,837 --> 00:20:12,339 As I was doing my fittings 357 00:20:12,339 --> 00:20:14,633 and as they were seeing me, 358 00:20:14,633 --> 00:20:16,509 they all started canceling me. 359 00:20:17,177 --> 00:20:18,887 I only did four shows. 360 00:20:20,722 --> 00:20:22,515 Done. [laughs] 361 00:20:23,975 --> 00:20:25,977 And the next day, 362 00:20:27,020 --> 00:20:28,647 instead of doing the shows, 363 00:20:28,647 --> 00:20:32,400 {\an8}Franca Sozzani put me on the Concorde to Steven, 364 00:20:34,986 --> 00:20:36,488 who photographed me. 365 00:20:39,491 --> 00:20:41,576 And, like, two weeks later... 366 00:20:42,911 --> 00:20:44,913 {\an8}...I'm on the cover of Italian Vogue. 367 00:20:45,872 --> 00:20:48,583 And then, I was doing all the Vogues. 368 00:20:48,583 --> 00:20:50,126 I was doing British Vogue, 369 00:20:50,126 --> 00:20:52,504 French Vogue, Spanish Vogue, 370 00:20:52,504 --> 00:20:54,089 American Vogue. 371 00:20:55,215 --> 00:20:57,884 And this is, like, the moment I thought I made it, 372 00:20:57,884 --> 00:20:59,719 after three years. 373 00:20:59,719 --> 00:21:03,682 I think that's where I really gained confidence, 374 00:21:03,682 --> 00:21:06,935 and it just kept going from there. 375 00:21:08,353 --> 00:21:11,565 I think when you're a kid, you don't like anything that makes you different, 376 00:21:11,565 --> 00:21:14,818 so having a beauty mark, 377 00:21:14,818 --> 00:21:18,655 [chuckling] which I tried to call it, um... 378 00:21:18,655 --> 00:21:22,242 You know, I didn't like it and my sisters would tease me that 379 00:21:22,242 --> 00:21:23,868 a beauty mark is on this side, 380 00:21:23,868 --> 00:21:25,745 that it's on the left side it's an ugly mark. 381 00:21:28,623 --> 00:21:30,041 Then when I started modeling, 382 00:21:30,667 --> 00:21:32,669 it was always a discussion. 383 00:21:32,669 --> 00:21:34,337 "Like, should we cover it with makeup, 384 00:21:34,337 --> 00:21:36,923 we can't really cover it with makeup 'cause it's not flat." 385 00:21:39,175 --> 00:21:42,971 {\an8}My first British Vogue cover, they retouched it off. 386 00:21:42,971 --> 00:21:45,265 The jury was still out. 387 00:21:45,265 --> 00:21:46,474 Richard Avedon, 388 00:21:46,474 --> 00:21:50,061 the first time I worked with him was for my first American Vogue cover. 389 00:21:50,061 --> 00:21:53,440 I'm a portrait photographer as well as a photographer of women. 390 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,193 {\an8}And the clothes are elements that I can use for design, 391 00:21:57,193 --> 00:21:59,613 {\an8}as are the women, for form, 392 00:21:59,613 --> 00:22:02,574 {\an8}for a way of expressing, uh... 393 00:22:02,574 --> 00:22:03,825 {\an8}certain things, I feel. 394 00:22:04,784 --> 00:22:09,080 {\an8}Avedon is a legend among photographers, 395 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,249 {\an8}a legend in the history of art, 396 00:22:11,249 --> 00:22:13,460 {\an8}within the history of photography. 397 00:22:14,461 --> 00:22:16,713 {\an8}[Charles Decaro] Richard Avedon's work has always been 398 00:22:16,713 --> 00:22:20,800 what continues to resonate. He's the master. 399 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,846 {\an8}One of the most famous photos in the world of Dovima with the elephants. 400 00:22:25,388 --> 00:22:28,850 {\an8}You've seen an Avedon before even if you don't recognize it. 401 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:33,980 {\an8}[Cindy] With Avedon, it's a very different kind of energy. 402 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:36,191 It's not like click, click, click. 403 00:22:36,191 --> 00:22:38,735 It's like, "Okay," and... click. 404 00:22:40,904 --> 00:22:43,698 {\an8}I think he liked that I was a good student of his. 405 00:22:43,698 --> 00:22:45,450 {\an8}[laughs] I paid attention. 406 00:22:45,450 --> 00:22:49,120 {\an8}He taught me how to, like, bring it. 407 00:22:50,497 --> 00:22:52,707 {\an8}For, like, that spark. 408 00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:56,378 And it ended up that from that shoot, I got two covers. 409 00:22:58,088 --> 00:23:02,133 {\an8}August, and an October of 1986. 410 00:23:02,133 --> 00:23:05,387 {\an8}American Vogue left the mole on. 411 00:23:06,096 --> 00:23:08,098 And that was it, it was never a discussion again. 412 00:23:08,098 --> 00:23:10,517 'Cause, it was kind of like, the Vogue seal of approval. 413 00:23:10,517 --> 00:23:13,436 If it's good enough for Vogue, it's good enough for everyone. 414 00:23:21,069 --> 00:23:23,238 [Naomi] Let's talk about the structure of this issue. 415 00:23:24,864 --> 00:23:27,367 When's this issue need to be ready to print? 416 00:23:27,367 --> 00:23:28,493 What's our deadline? 417 00:23:28,910 --> 00:23:31,663 - [woman] The end of February. - [Naomi] Perfect. 418 00:23:31,663 --> 00:23:33,957 So, we're gonna to put Kehinde Wiley 419 00:23:33,957 --> 00:23:37,460 'cause he's doing my portrait for the National Portrait Museum this year. 420 00:23:38,253 --> 00:23:40,297 I love this, but I love this picture. 421 00:23:40,297 --> 00:23:43,508 I love it, because we see Christy. You see Kate. 422 00:23:43,508 --> 00:23:45,260 Bridget Hall. 423 00:23:45,927 --> 00:23:47,512 Oh, my God, you see everybody 424 00:23:47,512 --> 00:23:48,430 [indistinct murmuring] 425 00:23:48,430 --> 00:23:50,015 I don't want this one. No. 426 00:23:50,015 --> 00:23:51,892 We've got no models here. 427 00:23:51,892 --> 00:23:54,227 [man] We got big sister Iman, I was gonna say, yeah. 428 00:23:54,227 --> 00:23:56,021 I think Iman and Katoucha. 429 00:23:56,021 --> 00:23:57,022 Yes! 430 00:23:57,022 --> 00:23:58,356 And Farida. 431 00:24:06,907 --> 00:24:09,534 [Naomi] I appreciate the work that Beverly Johnson, Iman, 432 00:24:09,534 --> 00:24:11,828 Naomi Sims, Donyale Luna, 433 00:24:11,828 --> 00:24:14,080 Gail O'Neill, Karen Alexander... 434 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,459 I appreciate the work of the ladies before me. 435 00:24:20,545 --> 00:24:22,047 But I wanted to take it more, 436 00:24:22,047 --> 00:24:24,799 I wanted to go further, I wanted to push the envelope. 437 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:29,638 I wanted what the white model was getting, I wanted it too. 438 00:24:30,388 --> 00:24:32,515 So, in 1987, 439 00:24:33,016 --> 00:24:35,477 I asked for my first Vogue cover. 440 00:24:35,477 --> 00:24:38,813 It's like they don't know how to answer me, they don't know what to say. 441 00:24:38,813 --> 00:24:42,400 And I felt a little awkward, and I felt a little shrunken, 442 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,403 like, I shouldn't have opened my mouth, 443 00:24:45,403 --> 00:24:47,489 I'm not gonna get a yes. 444 00:24:48,073 --> 00:24:49,241 [Enninful] There were so many restrictions 445 00:24:49,241 --> 00:24:52,661 on what it meant to be a black model, and she had to really fight 446 00:24:52,661 --> 00:24:55,956 a system that essentially said you had to be white 447 00:24:56,665 --> 00:24:59,167 to succeed on the runway or in fashion magazines. 448 00:24:59,167 --> 00:25:01,586 [indistinct chatter] 449 00:25:01,586 --> 00:25:04,381 [Naomi] So, I was at the time working for Mr. Saint Laurent, 450 00:25:05,465 --> 00:25:06,466 so I told them. 451 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:10,720 [Bethann Hardison] Mr. Saint Laurent had always been supporting 452 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,265 the idea that black models are valuable too. 453 00:25:13,265 --> 00:25:14,349 [applause] 454 00:25:14,349 --> 00:25:17,352 [Naomi] I didn't know what type of power Yves Saint Laurent had. 455 00:25:18,979 --> 00:25:20,313 [woman, faintly] Bravo! 456 00:25:21,189 --> 00:25:23,483 [Naomi] I didn't know that Yves would say something. 457 00:25:24,776 --> 00:25:27,153 {\an8}That is one of my best collections. 458 00:25:27,153 --> 00:25:29,531 {\an8}It was very hard to do, 459 00:25:29,531 --> 00:25:34,786 and when it's hard to do, it's better. [chuckles] 460 00:25:34,786 --> 00:25:37,664 And the next thing I knew, I was in New York 461 00:25:37,664 --> 00:25:39,833 with Patrick Demarchelier. 462 00:25:44,337 --> 00:25:47,507 {\an8}I had no idea until it came out 463 00:25:47,507 --> 00:25:51,136 {\an8}that it was the first time a black person had been on the French Vogue cover. 464 00:25:51,887 --> 00:25:54,097 I didn't look at it as breaking a barrier, 465 00:25:54,097 --> 00:25:56,224 I just looked at it as, 466 00:25:56,224 --> 00:25:57,893 "This can't stop here. 467 00:25:57,893 --> 00:26:00,061 This just can't be the one token." 468 00:26:01,062 --> 00:26:03,732 But then I shot my first American Vogue cover, 469 00:26:03,732 --> 00:26:06,985 and I had no idea that it was for September 470 00:26:06,985 --> 00:26:08,361 'cause, you know, I'm still... 471 00:26:09,154 --> 00:26:12,574 What I did learn about the magazines in America was 472 00:26:12,574 --> 00:26:14,993 February was Black month, 473 00:26:14,993 --> 00:26:17,287 and every February on all the magazines 474 00:26:17,287 --> 00:26:18,705 was a Black person. 475 00:26:18,705 --> 00:26:20,749 That I knew. That I got. 476 00:26:20,749 --> 00:26:24,669 But I hadn't realized that March and September were their big selling... 477 00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:27,631 I was just going from job to job 478 00:26:27,631 --> 00:26:29,382 and just living my life. 479 00:26:30,634 --> 00:26:33,428 [Cindy] Once you're on the cover of American Vogue, especially then, 480 00:26:33,428 --> 00:26:35,722 that was it. Like, then we started doing runway shows, 481 00:26:35,722 --> 00:26:37,432 which was a new thing. 482 00:26:37,432 --> 00:26:41,603 Back in the day, you were either a print model 483 00:26:41,603 --> 00:26:43,271 or a runway model. 484 00:26:45,148 --> 00:26:47,859 [Isaac Mizrahi] Fashion shows were like very quiet little affairs 485 00:26:47,859 --> 00:26:51,071 and the only people attending were, you know, fashion executives, 486 00:26:51,071 --> 00:26:54,491 people buying clothes and the fashion press and that was it. 487 00:26:55,951 --> 00:26:58,286 [Linda] There was a shift when 488 00:26:58,286 --> 00:27:01,373 the print girls started doing runway. 489 00:27:01,957 --> 00:27:03,541 [applause] 490 00:27:07,546 --> 00:27:09,464 [Tonne Goodman] When designers put all the girls on the runway, 491 00:27:09,464 --> 00:27:11,967 {\an8}it changed the caliber of a fashion show. 492 00:27:16,096 --> 00:27:18,348 [Karl Lagerfeld] Now, the print girls you see in the magazines, 493 00:27:18,348 --> 00:27:19,516 you have them in the shows, 494 00:27:19,516 --> 00:27:22,352 so it's like seeing movie stars in the real. 495 00:27:23,311 --> 00:27:24,980 [Cerf de Dudzeele] Everything was exciting! 496 00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:27,232 The girl was exciting on the runway. 497 00:27:27,232 --> 00:27:31,194 They were not walking like asparagus, "Boom, boom, boom, boom," you know? 498 00:27:32,571 --> 00:27:36,533 [Suzy Menkes] These models were very strong in the way they strutted out. 499 00:27:36,533 --> 00:27:39,869 {\an8}They showed their personality. That was the whole point. 500 00:27:39,869 --> 00:27:42,247 [Naomi] Most of the time I just looked straight ahead, 501 00:27:42,247 --> 00:27:45,834 and think about walking straight, and putting a pleasant look on my face 502 00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:48,295 and looking at people who I know, and going... 503 00:27:50,338 --> 00:27:53,508 [Linda] I remember at one of the Versace fashion shows, 504 00:27:53,508 --> 00:27:57,470 three photographers came backstage and they said, "Could we speak to you?" 505 00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:59,306 And I thought I was in trouble. 506 00:27:59,306 --> 00:28:01,600 And they showed me pictures of me, 507 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,270 and my eyes are down in all the pictures, 508 00:28:05,937 --> 00:28:10,233 because I'm looking at the front row, and at my colleagues, my friends. 509 00:28:10,233 --> 00:28:14,529 And they said, "Can you please look at us 510 00:28:14,529 --> 00:28:16,740 when you get to the end of the runway?" 511 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:20,410 And I said, "I'm so sorry, of course." 512 00:28:23,163 --> 00:28:25,498 So, when I looked up... 513 00:28:27,167 --> 00:28:28,668 ...I was like, "Whoa!" 514 00:28:28,668 --> 00:28:29,586 [cameras clicking] 515 00:28:29,586 --> 00:28:33,298 I couldn't believe how many photographers were there. I had no idea. 516 00:28:36,927 --> 00:28:39,471 [Christy] The backstage vibe is very intense. 517 00:28:39,471 --> 00:28:40,972 [Naomi] But we loved it that way. 518 00:28:40,972 --> 00:28:44,517 We loved being hectic and the adrenaline. 519 00:28:45,644 --> 00:28:47,354 Girls, standby on this side of the stage. 520 00:28:48,897 --> 00:28:51,483 [Cindy] We all think, "Wow, I'm the only imposter here," 521 00:28:51,483 --> 00:28:54,861 like, I can pretend, "Oh, yes, I, I'll have that wine," 522 00:28:54,861 --> 00:28:57,572 or "Oh, Hermès, I love Hermès." 523 00:28:57,572 --> 00:29:01,910 I didn't even know what Hermes was or whatever when I was a kid, right? 524 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:04,913 But you quickly learn to fit in and adapt. 525 00:29:06,790 --> 00:29:09,668 [Naomi] Cindy was definitely the more serious, 526 00:29:09,668 --> 00:29:13,088 but we knew how to get her to loosen and have fun. 527 00:29:13,088 --> 00:29:14,089 Tequila. 528 00:29:19,386 --> 00:29:21,972 [Mizrahi] The thing you have to love about these women 529 00:29:21,972 --> 00:29:27,561 is that they didn't do this, kind of, fake bullshit, 530 00:29:27,561 --> 00:29:30,397 kind of, walk, you know? They just had fun. 531 00:29:33,984 --> 00:29:35,360 Nobody walked like Naomi. 532 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,072 She had a walk that basically said, "Get the fuck out of my way, 533 00:29:39,072 --> 00:29:42,158 'cause I'm owning wherever I'm going." 534 00:29:44,494 --> 00:29:46,580 [Mizrahi] I remember one show, my mother, 535 00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:50,208 who is, like, the straightest, sort of, middle-aged woman. 536 00:29:50,208 --> 00:29:52,711 At this point, she was probably in her mid-sixties. 537 00:29:52,711 --> 00:29:54,296 After the show, she came up to me, she said, 538 00:29:54,296 --> 00:29:57,215 "Darling, I would have sex with Naomi Campbell." 539 00:29:57,215 --> 00:29:59,134 [faint chatter] 540 00:29:59,134 --> 00:30:00,594 [Linda] The glory days! 541 00:30:01,261 --> 00:30:04,806 But, remember, in those glory days... 542 00:30:05,765 --> 00:30:07,601 ...it wasn't perfect. 543 00:30:07,601 --> 00:30:08,935 Because... 544 00:30:10,812 --> 00:30:14,024 Because Naomi wasn't always booked to do the shows. 545 00:30:16,568 --> 00:30:18,653 See, I didn't understand. 546 00:30:19,446 --> 00:30:23,033 Naomi, I thought was more beautiful, 547 00:30:23,617 --> 00:30:27,746 had a much more rockin' body than I did. 548 00:30:27,746 --> 00:30:30,206 And a better strut. 549 00:30:30,832 --> 00:30:33,877 And I'm, like, "Why aren't they booking her?" 550 00:30:36,338 --> 00:30:39,925 [Enninful] When Naomi came, designers were still, you know... 551 00:30:40,884 --> 00:30:43,553 "We only have one Black girl this season." It was that time. 552 00:30:44,804 --> 00:30:46,765 "Black girls can only do shows in the summer. 553 00:30:46,765 --> 00:30:49,684 Black girls can only wear the bright-colored clothes." 554 00:30:49,684 --> 00:30:52,771 I said to them, "If you don't book her, you don't get me." 555 00:30:54,814 --> 00:30:58,193 [Naomi] Linda and Christy absolutely put themselves on the line. 556 00:30:58,193 --> 00:31:01,196 They stood by me, and they supported me. 557 00:31:01,196 --> 00:31:02,948 And that's what kept me going. 558 00:31:03,698 --> 00:31:05,158 [horns honking] 559 00:31:06,243 --> 00:31:09,621 I would do all these great shows, wear all these beautiful dresses, 560 00:31:09,621 --> 00:31:11,623 but then it would come time for the advertising, 561 00:31:11,623 --> 00:31:13,667 and I would not be included. 562 00:31:13,667 --> 00:31:16,086 And that used to really hurt me. 563 00:31:16,753 --> 00:31:21,800 And then sometimes, I was booked just to appease me 564 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,095 or to make me think, "Okay, we're gonna use her." 565 00:31:25,095 --> 00:31:27,430 Then I'd go to the shoot and sit there 566 00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:29,975 from nine till six all day and not be used. 567 00:31:31,309 --> 00:31:33,311 It made me more determined than ever. 568 00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:37,816 Not to ever be treated that way, not to ever be put in that position again. 569 00:31:45,657 --> 00:31:48,118 Can we hold a wall that Christy can lean against? 570 00:31:48,118 --> 00:31:52,122 - [man] Um, yeah, totally. Black or white? - White. 571 00:31:52,122 --> 00:31:54,374 [woman] We also have to do a Calvin Klein. 572 00:31:54,374 --> 00:31:57,627 With the cube, you mean? It could just be the corner, maybe. 573 00:31:57,627 --> 00:31:59,254 - [woman] Yeah, or just like... - [man] So she can lean... 574 00:31:59,254 --> 00:32:01,464 Leaning. Yeah, I feel like... 575 00:32:04,175 --> 00:32:05,010 [camera clicks] 576 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:07,262 Christy, can we try profile a little? 577 00:32:07,262 --> 00:32:10,724 Like-- Yeah, beautiful. Calvin Klein vibe. 578 00:32:10,724 --> 00:32:12,809 [woman] Very Calvin Klein. Classic. 579 00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:17,272 [Christy] I worked for Calvin Klein for 33 years. 580 00:32:20,233 --> 00:32:23,570 I was probably 17 or so when I first met Calvin Klein 581 00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:26,990 and met the brand, doing fashion shows and things. 582 00:32:29,284 --> 00:32:34,080 You know, it stood out for me, I think even as a younger teenager, um, 583 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,540 all the ads. 584 00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:38,668 I knew Calvin Klein jeans and I knew Calvin Klein fragrances. 585 00:32:38,668 --> 00:32:40,962 Obsession was a big deal. 586 00:32:42,464 --> 00:32:44,466 [Calvin Klein] What you want to do is create excitement, 587 00:32:44,466 --> 00:32:47,260 you want people to notice your ads, 588 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:49,304 your print ads, or your commercials. 589 00:32:49,304 --> 00:32:52,474 In the kingdom of passion the ruler is obsession. 590 00:32:52,474 --> 00:32:54,017 Calvin Klein's Obsession. 591 00:32:54,017 --> 00:32:55,518 [male voice] Oh, the smell of it. 592 00:32:55,518 --> 00:32:57,437 "Ah, the smell of it." 593 00:32:57,437 --> 00:32:59,731 Now, when you hear, "Well, the smell of it," 594 00:32:59,731 --> 00:33:02,943 your mind goes right to a very specific place. 595 00:33:02,943 --> 00:33:07,656 [Klein] I have an effect on society. 596 00:33:07,656 --> 00:33:09,991 I mean, I can change attitudes. 597 00:33:09,991 --> 00:33:13,745 {\an8}I can make people feel a certain way. 598 00:33:13,745 --> 00:33:18,792 {\an8}He understood how to use the tools at the time, 599 00:33:18,792 --> 00:33:22,796 You know, like, the billboards, the magazines, 600 00:33:22,796 --> 00:33:28,134 to push his image in a very clean 601 00:33:28,134 --> 00:33:29,970 but controversial way. 602 00:33:31,221 --> 00:33:33,723 You wanna know what comes between me and my Calvins? 603 00:33:34,182 --> 00:33:35,141 Nothing. 604 00:33:36,142 --> 00:33:41,064 {\an8}He always wanted everything to be super erotic and sexy, 605 00:33:41,064 --> 00:33:43,650 {\an8}and everybody sleeping with everybody. 606 00:33:45,277 --> 00:33:47,237 And then there was AIDS. 607 00:33:47,237 --> 00:33:50,323 And they just wanted to chill 608 00:33:50,323 --> 00:33:53,076 {\an8}and they wanted to calm everything down. 609 00:33:53,994 --> 00:33:58,957 So, he had this perfume called Eternity. 610 00:33:58,957 --> 00:34:00,959 Which was about family. 611 00:34:00,959 --> 00:34:05,922 And he signed up Christy as the face of Eternity. 612 00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:10,010 [Christy] I have so many memories from that first Eternity campaign 613 00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:11,469 in Martha's Vineyard. 614 00:34:13,221 --> 00:34:16,807 The photos were shot by Bruce Weber. 615 00:34:16,807 --> 00:34:20,061 It was really bonding and super fun. 616 00:34:20,061 --> 00:34:21,980 [Bruce Weber] The sun's setting, the light's really beautiful. 617 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:25,191 {\an8}Look at these girls' pictures, they have that desire. 618 00:34:25,191 --> 00:34:27,903 {\an8}The desire to stand alone and be somebody. 619 00:34:28,737 --> 00:34:29,653 [Grace Coddington] Bruce Weber, 620 00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:33,407 he really changed photography and fashion through his cameras. 621 00:34:34,075 --> 00:34:38,371 He changed girls from that much more heavy makeup 622 00:34:38,371 --> 00:34:41,082 to the more natural girl 623 00:34:41,082 --> 00:34:44,336 that was healthy and just glowed. 624 00:34:45,211 --> 00:34:48,757 [Christy] I made close to a million dollars a year on that contract. 625 00:34:48,757 --> 00:34:53,428 I remember signing it, for some reason, at night at some law office 626 00:34:53,428 --> 00:34:55,137 with my agents. 627 00:34:55,137 --> 00:34:57,349 I didn't have my own lawyer. 628 00:34:57,349 --> 00:35:00,185 I only had to work, like, a hundred days a year, 629 00:35:00,185 --> 00:35:02,145 which is not a lot of work, really, 630 00:35:02,145 --> 00:35:04,356 and, of course, I couldn't work for anybody else, 631 00:35:04,356 --> 00:35:07,025 and I couldn't-- Not even editorials. 632 00:35:07,025 --> 00:35:10,779 But the Eternity campaign had a certain kind of visibility 633 00:35:10,779 --> 00:35:13,698 and so representing Calvin Klein 634 00:35:13,698 --> 00:35:18,328 felt very much like the pinnacle of what was happening at that time. 635 00:35:19,746 --> 00:35:21,998 {\an8}[woman] Eternity, Calvin Klein. 636 00:35:22,999 --> 00:35:24,459 [static, music playing] 637 00:35:24,459 --> 00:35:26,503 {\an8}[woman] Revlon new complexion make-up. Cindy-- 638 00:35:27,379 --> 00:35:30,590 {\an8}[man speaking French] 639 00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:32,133 [ad jingle playing] 640 00:35:33,885 --> 00:35:35,136 [Cindy] As a model, 641 00:35:35,136 --> 00:35:37,973 a cosmetic contract is the golden ticket. 642 00:35:39,099 --> 00:35:40,976 {\an8}It's, like, job security all of a sudden. 643 00:35:40,976 --> 00:35:42,185 {\an8}You're not waiting for like, 644 00:35:42,185 --> 00:35:45,272 "Oh, I might get that campaign, I might not." 645 00:35:46,731 --> 00:35:49,109 [David Letterman] Please welcome, the lovely Cindy Crawford. 646 00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:50,944 [crowd cheering, applauding] 647 00:35:50,944 --> 00:35:53,822 Hi, how are ya? Nice to see you. Thanks for being here. 648 00:35:55,323 --> 00:35:56,616 [applause continues] 649 00:35:58,451 --> 00:36:01,288 She has just now been named the spokesmodel for Revlon. 650 00:36:01,288 --> 00:36:03,123 What does that mean? Free lipstick? 651 00:36:03,123 --> 00:36:04,541 [laughter] 652 00:36:04,541 --> 00:36:07,878 Yeah. And that, that and hopefully more freedom. 653 00:36:07,878 --> 00:36:09,379 More freedom to do? 654 00:36:09,379 --> 00:36:11,006 Anything I want. 655 00:36:11,882 --> 00:36:14,801 [Cindy] Things were really happening, I was doing the right campaigns. 656 00:36:14,801 --> 00:36:16,970 [man] Flex your hair and show off your body. 657 00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:18,763 [ad jingle playing] 658 00:36:18,763 --> 00:36:21,516 And then all of a sudden, in '88, 659 00:36:21,516 --> 00:36:24,519 I was asked to do Playboy. 660 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:28,607 Everyone in my life at the time thought I shouldn't do Playboy. 661 00:36:29,232 --> 00:36:32,152 My modeling agency didn't feel that that fit into, 662 00:36:32,152 --> 00:36:34,404 you know, the type of jobs I should be doing. 663 00:36:35,989 --> 00:36:38,283 I think the brand still had a connotation to it 664 00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:41,077 that maybe scared some people off. 665 00:36:41,745 --> 00:36:46,333 I understood the platform of Playboy and what that symbolized. 666 00:36:48,168 --> 00:36:52,297 It was definitely outside the normal trajectory 667 00:36:52,297 --> 00:36:55,675 for a Vogue model at the time. 668 00:36:55,675 --> 00:36:59,930 The offer came through Herb Ritts, a photographer. 669 00:36:59,930 --> 00:37:02,724 Herb Ritts was someone that I worked with a lot, 670 00:37:02,724 --> 00:37:07,187 and I stayed at his house and we were very good friends. 671 00:37:07,187 --> 00:37:09,481 [Herb Ritts] Part of what I do that's very important 672 00:37:09,481 --> 00:37:13,985 {\an8}is being able to suss something out, to be a diplomat of sorts. 673 00:37:13,985 --> 00:37:16,196 So, you really have to be one-on-one with someone 674 00:37:16,196 --> 00:37:20,075 and realize what they're about and try to get what you want. 675 00:37:20,075 --> 00:37:22,994 I don't know. There was just something about it that intrigued me, 676 00:37:22,994 --> 00:37:27,123 so against the advice of my agents, I said yes. 677 00:37:27,123 --> 00:37:30,460 But I said, "You don't need to pay me a lot of money 678 00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:32,629 as long as I can have the control of the images." 679 00:37:32,629 --> 00:37:36,174 And I wanted the right to kill the story if I don't like it. 680 00:37:36,716 --> 00:37:39,511 Herb and I combined it with another trip that we were doing 681 00:37:39,511 --> 00:37:41,555 for French Vogue to Hawaii. 682 00:37:42,013 --> 00:37:43,807 {\an8}We would shoot a picture for French Vogue, 683 00:37:43,807 --> 00:37:45,600 {\an8}and we would shoot a picture for Playboy. 684 00:37:46,726 --> 00:37:49,604 {\an8}I mean, you almost couldn't tell which pictures were for French Vogue... 685 00:37:50,313 --> 00:37:51,731 {\an8}...and which pictures were for Playboy. 686 00:37:51,731 --> 00:37:55,652 {\an8}It was very organic, and... 687 00:37:55,652 --> 00:37:56,903 I loved them. 688 00:37:58,488 --> 00:38:00,115 That's the whole thing for me is 689 00:38:00,115 --> 00:38:03,868 even if I make choices that other people disagree with or don't like, 690 00:38:03,868 --> 00:38:06,788 if they're my decisions and I have control of it, 691 00:38:06,788 --> 00:38:09,833 that's empowering to me, even if it's doing Playboy. 692 00:38:11,585 --> 00:38:14,087 I never felt like a victim of that decision. 693 00:38:26,016 --> 00:38:29,227 I don't feel like when I'm nude, that I'm nude. 694 00:38:31,062 --> 00:38:33,857 It really depends who I'm shooting for. 695 00:38:33,857 --> 00:38:37,027 I could feel totally clothed, 696 00:38:37,027 --> 00:38:39,237 it's the concept and the way 697 00:38:39,237 --> 00:38:42,324 when it's tastefully done you don't feel like you're nude. 698 00:38:49,664 --> 00:38:50,832 Might have made people think, 699 00:38:50,832 --> 00:38:52,709 "Oh, she really feels comfortable in her skin." 700 00:38:52,709 --> 00:38:55,128 Not necessarily, I didn't. 701 00:38:58,548 --> 00:39:01,635 Just because I was not thinking of me, 702 00:39:01,635 --> 00:39:03,428 Naomi, showing myself, 703 00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:06,932 I felt like I was in some other character. 704 00:39:07,474 --> 00:39:09,976 So, I didn't necessarily feel like I was... [inhales] 705 00:39:10,685 --> 00:39:13,563 I felt dressed, if you can believe that. 706 00:39:22,572 --> 00:39:25,742 [Christy] I respect and admire people who can be comfortable in their bodies 707 00:39:25,742 --> 00:39:27,535 and comfortable naked. 708 00:39:28,411 --> 00:39:30,956 If I'm working with somebody that I trust, 709 00:39:30,956 --> 00:39:35,126 and that I have respect for, and I understand their vision, 710 00:39:36,711 --> 00:39:38,672 then I can take some risks. 711 00:39:40,048 --> 00:39:42,926 If I can trust that person capturing it, 712 00:39:42,926 --> 00:39:44,386 and I know what they see 713 00:39:44,386 --> 00:39:48,640 and I know that my comfort is gonna make that image 714 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,060 that much more exciting, interesting, whatever, 715 00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:54,229 then I can, kind of, go there. 716 00:39:56,106 --> 00:39:59,818 But if that trust isn't there and there's this sense of well, you know, 717 00:39:59,818 --> 00:40:02,571 like, [laughing] "Go!" "Do it! 718 00:40:02,571 --> 00:40:04,739 You do your thing, I'm gonna capture it." 719 00:40:04,739 --> 00:40:05,991 I can't do that, 720 00:40:05,991 --> 00:40:10,412 like I can't, I can't just, like, do all my... the things. 721 00:40:10,412 --> 00:40:13,582 That takes time and trust, like, for any camera. 722 00:40:17,168 --> 00:40:20,297 [Cindy] Herb had the... 723 00:40:21,006 --> 00:40:25,552 I just never once felt even remotely uncomfortable in front of his camera. 724 00:40:25,552 --> 00:40:27,679 There we go, and yeah, there we go, that's it. 725 00:40:32,017 --> 00:40:34,853 The thing I love about this, it's not about fashion. 726 00:40:34,853 --> 00:40:37,981 Obviously, they're nude, but they were great friends 727 00:40:37,981 --> 00:40:39,983 and all of a sudden, to just put them together 728 00:40:39,983 --> 00:40:41,902 and have them knowing each other. 729 00:40:41,902 --> 00:40:45,447 There's a great heart that comes when I look at that picture. 730 00:40:45,906 --> 00:40:47,741 It's not overtly sexual at all. 731 00:40:47,741 --> 00:40:50,452 There's a true soulfulness coming from these girls. 732 00:40:51,161 --> 00:40:54,372 You can feel their eyes. It's really about their eyes and their looks. 733 00:40:55,707 --> 00:40:59,419 [Cindy] It's such a Herb picture because we were naked but we weren't being sexy. 734 00:40:59,419 --> 00:41:04,591 There was, like, a simplicity to being, you know, without clothes. 735 00:41:06,092 --> 00:41:08,762 But we shot it with and without Christy 736 00:41:08,762 --> 00:41:12,724 because Christy couldn't be in the Rolling Stone edition at the time. 737 00:41:13,767 --> 00:41:16,728 I was working with Calvin and I couldn't do anything with anybody else, 738 00:41:16,728 --> 00:41:19,689 so when Herb was like, "Just get in for a couple of shots," 739 00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:25,403 I realized that the desirability of having a model in a campaign 740 00:41:25,403 --> 00:41:27,948 was because of all the things that you're seeing out there 741 00:41:27,948 --> 00:41:31,368 and seeing somebody do interesting, more edgy kinds of things. 742 00:41:31,368 --> 00:41:33,662 And then to kind of cut all that off, 743 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,623 I don't know, it just, kind of, wasn't that exciting anymore. 744 00:41:44,548 --> 00:41:46,383 [Christy] All right. [chuckles] 745 00:41:50,303 --> 00:41:53,139 - It is so long, Mom. - [mom] I know. 746 00:41:53,139 --> 00:41:55,267 I had to come all the way from New York to cut your hair? 747 00:41:55,809 --> 00:41:59,104 {\an8}It's a little tricky with the mask, I gotta say, working around your ear. 748 00:41:59,104 --> 00:42:01,648 [mom, laughing] I know. How short are you going? 749 00:42:01,648 --> 00:42:03,358 [both laugh] 750 00:42:03,358 --> 00:42:06,236 [mom] I was telling my friends this morning at coffee, 751 00:42:06,236 --> 00:42:09,072 and I said, "Yeah, she cuts hair." I said, "Yes! 752 00:42:09,072 --> 00:42:11,449 She used to cut even Oribe's hair." 753 00:42:11,449 --> 00:42:12,826 [Christy] That's my claim to fame. 754 00:42:12,826 --> 00:42:14,661 [mom] I know, and he let you. 755 00:42:14,661 --> 00:42:17,038 [chuckles] A hairdresser. 756 00:42:19,165 --> 00:42:21,543 {\an8}[Erin] Maybe you should, um, do your hair short again. 757 00:42:21,543 --> 00:42:23,211 {\an8}[Christy] I think about it sometimes. 758 00:42:23,211 --> 00:42:25,255 And then I'm like, it just takes so long to grow. 759 00:42:25,255 --> 00:42:28,216 - [Erin] I liked it. I thought it was good. - [Christy] I do think about it sometimes. 760 00:42:28,216 --> 00:42:30,635 Like, "That was a haircut." 761 00:42:34,306 --> 00:42:35,974 [indistinct chatter] 762 00:42:35,974 --> 00:42:37,559 [photographer] Christy, look this way, please. Beautiful. 763 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:38,768 [Christy] I realized that... 764 00:42:39,644 --> 00:42:43,189 ...I really hadn't been happy with the Calvin Klein contract. 765 00:42:43,189 --> 00:42:45,108 It wasn't like a bad deal per se, 766 00:42:45,108 --> 00:42:49,237 but I hadn't really gotten to a place of feeling burnt out or tired or anything. 767 00:42:49,237 --> 00:42:50,614 I was, like, ready to go. 768 00:42:51,114 --> 00:42:53,825 So, I sort of re-negotiated my deal with Calvin... 769 00:42:54,701 --> 00:42:55,911 ...by cutting my hair. 770 00:42:56,912 --> 00:42:58,955 When we were cutting it, my friend Oribe cut it, 771 00:42:58,955 --> 00:43:01,499 we were laughing and saying, "Oh, I'm gonna get in so much trouble," 772 00:43:01,499 --> 00:43:03,335 but I didn't really think I was gonna get into trouble. 773 00:43:04,211 --> 00:43:06,755 But it definitely was not received well. 774 00:43:06,755 --> 00:43:08,798 I think Calvin was really mad, 775 00:43:08,798 --> 00:43:13,345 because when you have a contract, you have to continue that look. 776 00:43:13,345 --> 00:43:16,473 {\an8}So, to suddenly cut your hair off in the middle... 777 00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:19,517 ...was kind of a disaster. 778 00:43:20,018 --> 00:43:21,144 [Christy] When I re-negotiated... 779 00:43:21,144 --> 00:43:23,021 - I know, it's hard. It's hard. - It's also... 780 00:43:23,688 --> 00:43:25,982 [Christy] ...I still was able to stay close to Calvin 781 00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:30,237 and continue to work for Eternity and actually opened his show 782 00:43:30,237 --> 00:43:33,240 the next season with my new haircut. 783 00:43:34,449 --> 00:43:38,036 It was sort of the end of an era of those kinds of contracts 784 00:43:38,036 --> 00:43:40,121 because they just didn't make sense. 785 00:43:41,331 --> 00:43:44,918 Agencies have power, 786 00:43:44,918 --> 00:43:47,462 and yet they behave like they don't have power. 787 00:43:47,462 --> 00:43:49,339 They're supposed to be working for you. 788 00:43:50,715 --> 00:43:53,468 Let's... I mean, like, let's be real, this is not about personalities 789 00:43:53,468 --> 00:43:55,971 and, like, chemistry or, like, we're really a family. 790 00:43:55,971 --> 00:43:58,181 This is, like, this is a business for you all, 791 00:43:58,181 --> 00:44:01,101 and I never signed another contract with any other agency since. 792 00:44:07,482 --> 00:44:09,859 [Klensch] This is Style and I'm Elsa Klensch 793 00:44:09,859 --> 00:44:12,821 {\an8}reporting on the design worlds of fashion, beauty, and decorating. 794 00:44:13,989 --> 00:44:18,034 [Cindy] In the late 80s, there was an explosion of new media. 795 00:44:18,034 --> 00:44:20,036 All of a sudden, there was cable television 796 00:44:20,036 --> 00:44:21,288 and they needed more content. 797 00:44:21,288 --> 00:44:25,333 {\an8}We start with a story that's been hot since the spring fashion shows... 798 00:44:25,333 --> 00:44:28,044 There was this new, kind of, interest in fashion that was brewing. 799 00:44:28,712 --> 00:44:30,797 [Beker] Elsa Klensch was the first to look at style 800 00:44:30,797 --> 00:44:33,633 as a true fashion insider. 801 00:44:33,633 --> 00:44:36,094 [Klensch] Calvin Klein experimented with silhouettes. 802 00:44:36,887 --> 00:44:39,890 {\an8}It's all close to the body, they're very body-conscious clothes. 803 00:44:40,974 --> 00:44:43,101 [Oldham] And that started changing everything. 804 00:44:43,101 --> 00:44:44,936 [interviewer] People think of models, you know what the image of models is. 805 00:44:44,936 --> 00:44:46,521 But obviously you must be bright if you're, you know-- 806 00:44:46,521 --> 00:44:48,857 What is the image of models? I'd like to know. 807 00:44:48,857 --> 00:44:54,321 You mean, that we have, like, single digit IQs and stuff like that? 808 00:44:54,321 --> 00:44:55,780 - I'm not saying that to you. - No, but I mean... 809 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:59,868 Before cable, large parts of America were really culture starved. 810 00:44:59,868 --> 00:45:02,579 In a way, cable took what was going on 811 00:45:02,579 --> 00:45:04,623 with that vibrant culture in New York City 812 00:45:04,623 --> 00:45:06,958 and pushed it out by satellite 813 00:45:06,958 --> 00:45:08,209 all over the country. 814 00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:13,006 {\an8}When we started MTV in the early 80s, 815 00:45:13,006 --> 00:45:14,424 it was not only to play the hits, 816 00:45:14,424 --> 00:45:17,260 it also exposed people to all sorts of new things 817 00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:18,887 in the popular culture. 818 00:45:19,721 --> 00:45:22,390 So, we said, "Let's do some more stuff on what's sort of coming up 819 00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:23,850 as fashion from the streets. 820 00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:26,228 Let's try for a new face, a new host. 821 00:45:26,228 --> 00:45:29,940 MTV spokesperson for fashion." 822 00:45:30,857 --> 00:45:34,027 [Cindy] Fashion still was primarily female, 823 00:45:34,027 --> 00:45:37,906 and then all of a sudden, Playboy was, like, primarily guys, 824 00:45:37,906 --> 00:45:39,157 it was a very different thing. 825 00:45:39,157 --> 00:45:42,202 I, like, doubled my audience by doing that. 826 00:45:42,202 --> 00:45:47,082 And those two things together led to MTV. 827 00:45:47,082 --> 00:45:49,793 They wanted someone like a model or someone from fashion, 828 00:45:49,793 --> 00:45:53,255 but they also wanted someone that had male fans. 829 00:45:53,255 --> 00:45:57,342 That was like a 30 second pitch meeting. "Let's do it. 830 00:45:57,342 --> 00:45:59,302 Can we get one on next week?" 831 00:46:00,887 --> 00:46:03,598 [Cindy, on TV] Welcome to House of Style, I'm Cindy Crawford. 832 00:46:04,266 --> 00:46:06,685 It's like my first big piece for MTV, right? I'm here by myself. 833 00:46:06,685 --> 00:46:08,812 [Cindy] I had no training in broadcasting. 834 00:46:08,812 --> 00:46:11,147 I'm gonna show, like, the whole look. So, you walk down the runway, 835 00:46:11,147 --> 00:46:12,732 take the coat off. 836 00:46:12,732 --> 00:46:15,569 [Cindy] It was bringing together music and fashion 837 00:46:15,569 --> 00:46:18,113 and pop culture 838 00:46:18,113 --> 00:46:21,825 and, like, putting it into, like, a mixing bowl. 839 00:46:21,825 --> 00:46:23,326 And we didn't really care what came out. 840 00:46:24,828 --> 00:46:26,037 Hi, I'm Cindy Crawford. 841 00:46:26,037 --> 00:46:29,165 {\an8}Welcome to House of Style, coming to you this time from Paris. 842 00:46:29,165 --> 00:46:31,209 She would mine and create episodes 843 00:46:31,209 --> 00:46:32,794 and bring in her friends and acquaintances, 844 00:46:32,794 --> 00:46:34,296 people she knew from the business. 845 00:46:34,296 --> 00:46:36,423 {\an8}We don't like wearing clothes. No, that's a joke. 846 00:46:36,423 --> 00:46:37,382 {\an8}Naomi, behave yourself. 847 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,218 {\an8}She began to incorporate designers. 848 00:46:40,218 --> 00:46:41,803 {\an8}The length is a little bit long. 849 00:46:41,803 --> 00:46:44,222 {\an8}We definitely took the pads out of the boob, too. 850 00:46:44,222 --> 00:46:47,183 I'm one of the old models that has boobs. 851 00:46:47,183 --> 00:46:49,644 It gave me an opportunity to talk 852 00:46:49,644 --> 00:46:53,899 and I was able to bring a little bit more of myself 853 00:46:53,899 --> 00:46:55,567 to my public persona. 854 00:46:55,567 --> 00:46:57,319 It shows your little beauty mark. 855 00:46:57,319 --> 00:47:00,030 That all felt very empowering to me. 856 00:47:00,030 --> 00:47:02,699 That about wraps it up for this edition of House of Style. 857 00:47:02,699 --> 00:47:05,327 I'm Cindy Crawford and I'll see you again real soon. 858 00:47:05,327 --> 00:47:06,244 Bye. 859 00:47:07,746 --> 00:47:09,664 {\an8}[Cindy] British Vogue wanted Peter Lindbergh 860 00:47:09,664 --> 00:47:12,375 {\an8}to shoot a cover to represent 861 00:47:12,375 --> 00:47:15,462 the new idea of beauty for the '90s. 862 00:47:15,462 --> 00:47:19,007 And Peter said, "I can't do it with just one woman." 863 00:47:19,925 --> 00:47:25,096 He reached out to me and to Cindy, Naomi, Linda and Tatjana. 864 00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:30,644 We all worked together in various combinations a lot at that time, 865 00:47:30,644 --> 00:47:34,439 so we all came just in our jeans and I remember being in Tribeca. 866 00:47:36,691 --> 00:47:39,277 Peter always gets super excited when he shot and, like, 867 00:47:39,277 --> 00:47:41,947 you know, "Ah, I'm so excited, so excited." 868 00:47:42,572 --> 00:47:45,116 And I was also just out of my Calvin contract too. 869 00:47:45,116 --> 00:47:47,953 So, just to be together as a group, 870 00:47:47,953 --> 00:47:50,205 it just was so fun. 871 00:47:53,333 --> 00:47:54,626 It wasn't about the fashion. 872 00:47:55,835 --> 00:47:57,879 It wasn't about the hair and the makeup. 873 00:48:00,674 --> 00:48:01,925 It was about the women. 874 00:48:10,267 --> 00:48:11,434 [Kurt Loder] Welcome back to The Week in Rock. 875 00:48:11,434 --> 00:48:14,229 George Michael has a new video just out for "Freedom! '90", 876 00:48:14,229 --> 00:48:17,816 the second single off his latest album Listen Without Prejudice Volume One. 877 00:48:17,816 --> 00:48:21,403 Once again, Michael himself has declined to actually appear in the clip. 878 00:48:21,403 --> 00:48:24,864 Instead, he's delegated a flock of Elite and Ford agency fashion models 879 00:48:24,864 --> 00:48:26,616 to do his lip syncing for him. 880 00:48:26,616 --> 00:48:28,326 I made decisions a couple years ago 881 00:48:28,326 --> 00:48:31,871 to change the way my career was going and my life was going... 882 00:48:32,289 --> 00:48:35,041 ...by not appearing in videos. 883 00:48:35,041 --> 00:48:36,626 By not being interviewed. 884 00:48:36,626 --> 00:48:37,752 By not doing press. 885 00:48:37,752 --> 00:48:41,339 Basically, letting my music, kind of, do what it's gonna do. 886 00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:45,635 We get this phone call that George Michael wants to shoot us in-- 887 00:48:45,635 --> 00:48:47,095 Wants us in his video. 888 00:48:47,095 --> 00:48:49,139 George was like, "It has to be this group of women." 889 00:48:49,139 --> 00:48:50,140 It had to be all of us. 890 00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:51,600 So, we go talk. 891 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,101 "Are you doing this?" "Are you doing this?" 892 00:48:53,435 --> 00:48:56,104 I wasn't interested initially at all, 893 00:48:56,104 --> 00:48:59,149 because it wasn't fashion. 894 00:48:59,149 --> 00:49:02,319 And at some point, we made a decision, like, a group decision. 895 00:49:02,777 --> 00:49:04,946 I said, "I will do it." 896 00:49:04,946 --> 00:49:07,073 - "I'm gonna do it!" - I said, "Yes, okay, I'll do it." 897 00:49:07,532 --> 00:49:09,159 So, who's gonna tell George? 898 00:49:11,369 --> 00:49:14,122 Basically, I'm in a nightclub in LA. 899 00:49:14,122 --> 00:49:16,666 Roxbury's, actually, on Sunset. 900 00:49:17,292 --> 00:49:20,921 And George is there. And he comes up to me and he says, 901 00:49:20,921 --> 00:49:22,881 "So, what is it that you guys want?" 902 00:49:22,881 --> 00:49:27,260 I said, "We want this much money and round trip Concorde tickets!" 903 00:49:28,511 --> 00:49:30,680 He goes, "And that's it?" I said, "That's it." 904 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,019 [David Fincher] When George pitched me his idea, 905 00:49:36,686 --> 00:49:39,564 he said, "What do you think about doing the entire video 906 00:49:39,564 --> 00:49:43,568 with just amazing looking women lip syncing?" 907 00:49:43,568 --> 00:49:44,945 So that he didn't have to. 908 00:49:44,945 --> 00:49:47,239 And I said... 909 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,699 "Knock me over with a feather and throw a sheet over me, 910 00:49:49,699 --> 00:49:51,534 that sounds like a great idea." [laughs] 911 00:49:51,534 --> 00:49:54,621 ["Freedom! '90" by George Michael playing] 912 00:49:58,917 --> 00:50:00,043 [Linda] When I got to the set, 913 00:50:01,503 --> 00:50:03,296 and they wanted me to lip sync, 914 00:50:03,296 --> 00:50:05,882 I didn't know the words. 915 00:50:06,967 --> 00:50:10,554 I had to learn them very quickly in the trailer 916 00:50:10,554 --> 00:50:12,722 while they were doing my hair and makeup. 917 00:50:12,722 --> 00:50:15,559 [lip-syncing] ♪ Heaven knows I was just a young boy ♪ 918 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:18,478 ♪ Didn't know what I wanted to be... ♪ 919 00:50:21,189 --> 00:50:23,108 I just remember it being super dark 920 00:50:23,108 --> 00:50:26,319 and someone explaining to me that I was gonna be in a bathtub. 921 00:50:28,446 --> 00:50:29,990 I was like, "Really?" 922 00:50:30,574 --> 00:50:32,784 I felt like everyone else had a better part than me. 923 00:50:33,577 --> 00:50:35,287 [lip-syncing] ♪ I won the race, got out of the place ♪ 924 00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:38,331 ♪ Went back home, got a brand new face ♪ 925 00:50:38,331 --> 00:50:40,417 ♪ For the boys at MTV... ♪ 926 00:50:40,542 --> 00:50:42,794 These girls knew how to position their faces. 927 00:50:42,794 --> 00:50:44,296 They could find their light 928 00:50:44,296 --> 00:50:46,256 and when we gave them a character, 929 00:50:46,256 --> 00:50:47,924 they brought something to it. 930 00:50:47,924 --> 00:50:50,385 [lip-syncing] ♪ Now I'm gonna get myself happy... ♪ 931 00:50:50,802 --> 00:50:51,970 They sucked you in. 932 00:50:54,723 --> 00:50:56,641 My very first scene that I shot was 933 00:50:56,641 --> 00:50:59,811 where you just see my eyes through, like, this cutout. 934 00:51:00,770 --> 00:51:03,148 You see my mouth, then you see my eyes, you see my mouth, you see my eyes. 935 00:51:03,148 --> 00:51:05,609 And anytime I dip down it's because I don't know the words yet. 936 00:51:05,609 --> 00:51:08,361 [laughing] I'm not that great with lyrics. 937 00:51:10,864 --> 00:51:13,158 [Naomi] We were not knowing the impact 938 00:51:13,158 --> 00:51:15,535 that that video had at all. 939 00:51:16,953 --> 00:51:19,289 We didn't have time to know because, honestly, 940 00:51:19,289 --> 00:51:21,666 we were just jumping from next country to the next country. 941 00:51:23,418 --> 00:51:25,295 [Donatella Versace] "Freedom" had just come out. 942 00:51:26,671 --> 00:51:28,632 {\an8}I was talking to Gianni and said, 943 00:51:28,632 --> 00:51:30,425 "Why don't you get the girls?" 944 00:51:30,425 --> 00:51:32,761 "The gorgeous girls on the runway?" 945 00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:36,848 [Christy] We got there, saw our clothes, did our rehearsal. 946 00:51:36,848 --> 00:51:37,933 And then the song came on. 947 00:51:37,933 --> 00:51:41,144 And then it was like, "Oh, I get what you're doing." [laughs] 948 00:51:41,144 --> 00:51:43,146 ["Freedom! '90" by George Michael playing] 949 00:51:43,146 --> 00:51:45,190 - [applause, cheering] - [cameras clicking] 950 00:51:47,025 --> 00:51:49,444 [Menkes] You just can't imagine the excitement, 951 00:51:49,444 --> 00:51:51,488 the energy, the sort of, madness 952 00:51:51,488 --> 00:51:53,198 of when Gianni Versace 953 00:51:53,865 --> 00:51:55,951 had all the supermodels together. 954 00:51:55,951 --> 00:51:58,036 I mean, he really caught that moment. 955 00:51:58,036 --> 00:52:00,622 [song continues] 956 00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,293 [Donatella] Each one of them had this strong personality 957 00:52:05,293 --> 00:52:07,087 and they're not afraid to show it. 958 00:52:07,796 --> 00:52:11,049 The combination of fashion and their personality was magic. 959 00:52:13,468 --> 00:52:14,719 [Menkes] It was a moment. 960 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,513 It was the moment of Gianni Versace 961 00:52:16,513 --> 00:52:19,683 and the way he wanted to produce sexy women 962 00:52:19,683 --> 00:52:21,142 who were also strong women. 963 00:52:24,604 --> 00:52:27,315 [Cindy] This incredible song, this incredible designer, 964 00:52:27,315 --> 00:52:29,234 the moment of the women singing the song. 965 00:52:29,234 --> 00:52:30,902 It was just like it all came together. 966 00:52:30,902 --> 00:52:32,988 [song continues] 967 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,365 [Christy] We could feel that moment. 968 00:52:35,365 --> 00:52:37,993 That is a moment that you kind of knew would be iconic, actually. 969 00:52:37,993 --> 00:52:40,078 [song continues] 970 00:52:43,957 --> 00:52:47,168 Was like, "Okay, that's what a supermodel is." 971 00:52:49,504 --> 00:52:52,632 [Linda] I didn't imagine that it was going to 972 00:52:52,632 --> 00:52:56,219 catapult us to another level. 973 00:52:57,762 --> 00:53:01,516 {\an8}[Fincher] They were not like other people, they weren't just beautiful. 974 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,562 {\an8}[Baron] They stand out, they were really becoming iconic 975 00:53:05,562 --> 00:53:06,980 {\an8}and, you know, memorable. 976 00:53:07,564 --> 00:53:08,690 {\an8}And important. 977 00:53:09,357 --> 00:53:10,901 {\an8}[Enninful] They became household names. 978 00:53:10,901 --> 00:53:13,320 And I think that really solidified the supermodel. 979 00:53:14,487 --> 00:53:16,031 We looked powerful, 980 00:53:16,531 --> 00:53:18,658 and then we started believing that. 981 00:53:18,658 --> 00:53:20,577 [kettle whistling] 982 00:53:27,417 --> 00:53:29,211 [whistling fades]